tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post1648939275116678782..comments2023-10-22T03:29:52.892-04:00Comments on There's a Dragon in my Art Room: My doodles are not ZentanglesPhylhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-77720466152243631062016-02-20T04:42:08.867-05:002016-02-20T04:42:08.867-05:00Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'm am quite...Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'm am quite troubled when I hear CZT saying they through zentangle art, they can see if their 'patients' are frustrated or angry. how did they end up doing an art therapist role after attending a 5 day workshop? Sharonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07975695246845069077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-43519558751004545382016-01-23T23:27:24.267-05:002016-01-23T23:27:24.267-05:00Yay! Cheers to happy doodling!Yay! Cheers to happy doodling!Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-50685536258491109402016-01-23T23:26:42.803-05:002016-01-23T23:26:42.803-05:00And thanks for your comment!And thanks for your comment!Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-5004763853257323862016-01-23T15:47:26.623-05:002016-01-23T15:47:26.623-05:00Cavemen 'doodled' on the cave walls. We s...Cavemen 'doodled' on the cave walls. We see concentric circles, waves, Zig zags, etc. This is the kind of doodling that I did back in the 1960s! Trying to copyright doodling is like trying to copyright the 'in' breath. It's ok to breathe out but if you breathe in, you gotta pay us! Absurd! Where does Escher fit into all <br />this? Honestly, I agree with all your points. That said... I'm gonna go doodle!!!Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09848441563240198000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-81391940179632686412016-01-10T23:07:19.037-05:002016-01-10T23:07:19.037-05:00Thank you for your post. I've been doodling ev...Thank you for your post. I've been doodling ever since I could hold a pen. We're talking a few decades. I know my doodles pre-date Zentangles. The main important difference I see is that doodling is free. You can draw as you like, wherever your imagination takes you. You can keep your doodles to yourself or you can share them without fear of copyright infringement. <br /><br />Thank you again for your post!DoodleFan22https://www.blogger.com/profile/15184066833651925267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-41798083059214736022015-10-02T13:26:48.257-04:002015-10-02T13:26:48.257-04:00Stacy, thanks for your comment. Ironically, this ...Stacy, thanks for your comment. Ironically, this is still an argument I'm having with many art teachers! But I'll keep staying what I think, and what I'm confident is right in this situation. Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-70889555312431138552015-10-02T12:09:35.414-04:002015-10-02T12:09:35.414-04:00I'm so glad I stumbled upon your blog! I'...I'm so glad I stumbled upon your blog! I'm an artist and illustrator who has been a little miffed at the whole Zentangle phenomenon. I think it's pretty limiting for creative doodling to be confined to a set of prescribed steps with a particular brand of pen on a tiny piece of paper. Your post was refreshing and encouraging and your work is beautiful. Thanks for taking time to share both your sketchbook and your thoughts. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03039649888157833512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-6326012942094931992015-09-19T04:06:50.304-04:002015-09-19T04:06:50.304-04:00I am a compulsive doodler too and always laugh wit...I am a compulsive doodler too and always laugh with my older students that I probably invented Zentangles myself but didn't know I did it! I actually show them my notebook that I take to meetings with me and the doodles inside that I work on during the meetings and talk about how it helps me to focus on what the meeting is talking about. And also how I used to get told off at school for doodling in the margins of my books and papers. Of course I don't teach Zentangles the way a Zentangle teacher would as that would be too restrictive. I teach pattern, line, repitition etc always using the correct vocab and encouraging the students to do so as well. And we talk a lot about how drawing and doodling are good for your brain, your fine motor muscles, and that a lot of people, adults and children alike, find it very relaxing, and perhaps a bit 'Zen" - and that's probably why whoever the copyright holder is came up with such a catchy name. So I'll happily use the word Zentangle with my students as it is just another art vocab word that represents a restrictive form of pattern making with too masny rules for true crestivity, if you ask me. And if my grade 3 students tell me they created a Zentangle hand they can still talk about the patterns they made, how they used line and shape and repitition, how they saw a pattern on their friend's hand, were inspired and adapted it and altered it to add it to their hand and that's when I know that their learning is much greater than the value of one insignificant word that will come and go as all flimsy trends do. I'm sure you and I Phyl will continue doodling and teaching about pattern and line long after Zentangles have bitten the dust!Shelley Menhennethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06946987275541283965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-81977339175312515542015-06-24T23:32:31.512-04:002015-06-24T23:32:31.512-04:00Great post, very insightful and informative. I ne...Great post, very insightful and informative. I never think about those times I have students doing repetition, pattern, etc as being a Zentangle but I have used Zentangles with an especially unfocused group once telling them that it was Zen and relaxing. Looks as if I definitely strayed from the intent of the certified teachers because I also didn't let them copy any of the designs but insisted they come up with their own. I'll drop the use of the word for now on because I realize, I haven't been doing it anyway!!!Art on my Handshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06754122893317896715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-84209892161617726822015-06-23T16:30:11.642-04:002015-06-23T16:30:11.642-04:00You're welcome! How have you been??You're welcome! How have you been??Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-10023064143630698192015-06-21T18:27:21.352-04:002015-06-21T18:27:21.352-04:00Thanks for posting on this topic. I have been con...Thanks for posting on this topic. I have been confused about the whole Zentangle thing. I just didn't get what was new about it. Thanks for spelling out the particulars.Snippety Gibbethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00271129879408530904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-7821810161447625352015-06-18T23:05:40.022-04:002015-06-18T23:05:40.022-04:00It is heartening to find there are so many like-mi...It is heartening to find there are so many like-minded people on this topic! We've got to be willing to speak out, or this business will continue to inappropriately worm its way into art classrooms. A copyrighted technique by a for-profit business does not belong in school art curriculums. Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-22981437865673070972015-06-18T18:33:49.533-04:002015-06-18T18:33:49.533-04:00I also love to doodle and use intricate patterns. ...I also love to doodle and use intricate patterns. People have asked me "Do you Zentangle?!" and it makes me a little prickly because I do not believe that my personal doodles and artwork are part of the prescribed step-by-step methodology that Zentangle endorses. Nor do I think that this way of creating art will expand young learner's minds. I agree with one of the commenters above that it is indeed a fad. It is important for our students to learn contemporary artists and art making skills but this 'doodle for profit' business takes it a bit too far for my liking. It is very refreshing to see someone speak out about this. Thank you for your post!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-24766848502562271362015-06-18T15:20:52.186-04:002015-06-18T15:20:52.186-04:00no worries...just noting the irony! Great minds a...no worries...just noting the irony! Great minds and all that!!deborahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17768664891149923288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-61955933170634553072015-06-18T10:03:27.045-04:002015-06-18T10:03:27.045-04:00Thank you, Ev. Thank you, Ev. Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-22637601043588228582015-06-18T10:02:45.394-04:002015-06-18T10:02:45.394-04:00Deborah, I get an email notification of all commen...Deborah, I get an email notification of all comments, so I saw that comment and will respond! Thanks! Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-87182296795735972832015-06-18T06:08:19.063-04:002015-06-18T06:08:19.063-04:00it is good to see this laid out in black and white...it is good to see this laid out in black and white and all the colours of the rainbow, insightful and informative articleEvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11967116388875389684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-2322383223507039782015-06-17T13:33:12.231-04:002015-06-17T13:33:12.231-04:00So I just did remark on the post from 2011, in whi...So I just did remark on the post from 2011, in which I mentioned the emperor's new clothes....deborahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17768664891149923288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-43367870070081725572015-06-16T07:48:59.298-04:002015-06-16T07:48:59.298-04:00I am glad you wrote this. I took a Zentangle works...I am glad you wrote this. I took a Zentangle workshop about 4 yrs ago and was appalled at the kits(pens/pencils/tiles etc)starting at 50 dollars. Thankfully we were not required to purchase the kits but I balked at the formulaic "tangles" that were being taught to achieve the process. The teacher(certified)was patient but I could see she was getting frustrated with me since I was breaking the rules of the tangles. I have been teaching for 35 yrs and bristle that my design projects with the students are associated with the zentangle movement. These are the same parents that were gung-ho with scrapbooking just recently and have now embraced the NEXT BIG THING.I did want to mention that zentangles do incorporate color though;check out the websites/books and pinterest examples. The zentangle classes near me are using color for jewelry versions too. I will remain a stubborn art teacher about this for the time being teaching my 7 basic lines of design mode.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312871094476465260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-52683756568943460772015-06-15T22:44:31.285-04:002015-06-15T22:44:31.285-04:00Amen!
Not really sure why this was a copy writea...Amen! <br />Not really sure why this was a copy writeable process to begin with honestly...Michelle Lernerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12013979452508208662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-58112833575051951642015-06-15T21:21:48.251-04:002015-06-15T21:21:48.251-04:00Thanks :)Thanks :)Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-59958553558369656862015-06-15T21:21:26.452-04:002015-06-15T21:21:26.452-04:00I'm waiting for someone to attack back...I'm waiting for someone to attack back...Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-33685583111243303032015-06-15T19:23:42.185-04:002015-06-15T19:23:42.185-04:00Thank you! Well thought out and well written. Thank you! Well thought out and well written. Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00909521366495379252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-37148677341834802962015-06-15T18:57:38.258-04:002015-06-15T18:57:38.258-04:00Yea!! Someone finally stood up and revealed that t...Yea!! Someone finally stood up and revealed that the Emperor was naked!! Kudos, Phyl!😎Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07481951771573117224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-57623935930796600702015-06-15T18:27:14.805-04:002015-06-15T18:27:14.805-04:00Becca Ruth, you probably don't need to re-thin...Becca Ruth, you probably don't need to re-think your lessons; you just need to re-think the terminology you use! Thanks for your comment. Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.com