tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post2499285628420783385..comments2023-10-22T03:29:52.892-04:00Comments on There's a Dragon in my Art Room: Gesso WoesPhylhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-67513690816750677092012-02-07T07:59:07.858-05:002012-02-07T07:59:07.858-05:00Just came across this post and I had to laugh. I h...Just came across this post and I had to laugh. I had a similar experience when I ordered liquid watercolor. One had opened in the bag so I called the company. New one arrived, also opened and I just called to tell them "Tighten the lids, no need for a replacement" I was too embarrassed to chance a third shipment! hahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-42205366795955121512012-02-02T15:00:07.224-05:002012-02-02T15:00:07.224-05:00One more word about my 5th graders. It's like...One more word about my 5th graders. It's like someone turned a switch on them in the past week. They argue with each other, do little mean things: water on someone's back or head, stealing a roll of tape, etc, then they tattle on each other and get all upset when I don't know where it is coming from. And they have ASSIGNED SEATS but it still happens. There's a meanness I'm not liking.Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-67342290835000145242012-02-02T14:56:06.219-05:002012-02-02T14:56:06.219-05:00Who would have thought that this little silly post...Who would have thought that this little silly post would have generated SO many comments??!!<br /><br />As I said before - our brown paper towels are not a good painting surface. As for the Elmer's and tempera idea, it would probably work great but then... I'd run out of Elmer's and white tempera, right? Don't worry - I actually have some available to use and the new stuff should show up soon and all is well in the art room, if only I could keep my 5th graders from driving each other crazy.<br /><br />@ Mrs. Alba, I'm flattered that I'm your daily 'go-to' blog! Since you appear to be in NY, why don't you try to spend some time at the NAEA conference in March? I'm really looking forward to meeting people that I've only seen in cyberspace thus far.Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-61383639120666847162012-02-02T08:42:43.603-05:002012-02-02T08:42:43.603-05:00I saw on ArtSmudge the other day how she mixes tem...I saw on ArtSmudge the other day how she mixes tempera paint (white) with Elmer's glue to make Gesso (she was making 3D sculptures using clothes hangers bent into amorphous shapes and covered with panty hose). She says this combo makes a wonderful base coat. It doesn't seem like it would take long to mix up...I know you don't want to make your own, but these ingredients you may have on hand...I'm sorry you are frustrated! I send you a big hug from NH!Mrs. Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09923125203906064082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-38186068074559790412012-02-02T08:13:32.685-05:002012-02-02T08:13:32.685-05:00Wow! Lots of great comments when I get a chance t...Wow! Lots of great comments when I get a chance to order supplies in the future. I usually have the kids cover the project with a layer of paper towels, I even save the ones the other class dries their hands on to reuse. If you put a little mache on the surface, you can cover the piece with small pieces of paper towel and it makes a nice surface to paint on.KatieB.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17831370386895547325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-31216854501429699272012-02-01T20:17:33.317-05:002012-02-01T20:17:33.317-05:00Just last week my student teacher finished some &q...Just last week my student teacher finished some "junk sculptures" that had lots of tape, glue, cardboard, and plastic- all sorts of surfaces. I don't usually buy gesso for my elementary, have just used layers of acrylic paint. This time I didn't have much acrylic paint so we used Kilz primer with bright colored house paints mixed in that I had leftover from numerous projects. One coat with just a few touch-ups. Worked like a charm. I convinced the kids that we were recycling paint, which is a good thing, and none of the 180 kids complained that the colors were bold pastel colors instead bright intense colors.annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14851176749311455953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-3200451815040891192012-01-31T22:59:36.479-05:002012-01-31T22:59:36.479-05:00Phyl,
I have never used Gesso. Ever. I always use...Phyl,<br /><br />I have never used Gesso. Ever. I always use white acrylic paint over my paper mache' projects to hide the newspaper. I tell the kids that even if a little newspaper still shows when it dries, the colors we use will hide it. I guess spending 3 years in the pottery and glaze lab in college didn't leave a lot of time for painting classes (which I wasn't interested in anyway)where I might have learned to use Gesso. I am curious now, since you've had good luck with it prior to this latest spate of defective products. I have a Blick 40% coupon burning a hole in my pocket!<br /><br />:)PatPathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07481951771573117224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-67208759710099120182012-01-31T18:35:21.022-05:002012-01-31T18:35:21.022-05:00Hello Phyl! I just wanted to say that I have been ...Hello Phyl! I just wanted to say that I have been following your blog everyday for the past 2 1/2 years since I completed grad school (no joke, I check it everyday!). I was hired this year after 2 years of subbing on and off (NYC doe hiring restrictions played a big role in me not getting hired sooner). Your blog is my go to blog for advice and encouragement. I'm so happy to hear that you'll keep blogging even after retirement! I love reading your take on things. Maybe you can even have an advice section for us newbies one day =o) Anyway, just thought I'd let you know how grateful I am for your advice, and that also goes for ALL the art teacher bloggers out there too because I sure do learn a lot from each and every one of them.<br /><br />P.S. Sorry about your gesso problems =o/Ms. Albahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17377193519748234583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-63399573226460926242012-01-31T15:15:20.943-05:002012-01-31T15:15:20.943-05:00Oh my, I didn't expect so many comments on thi...Oh my, I didn't expect so many comments on this! So let me respond the best I can.<br /><br />First of all - like so many of you, I spend my own money on a LOT of stuff for school, including everything from popsicles and popcorn for the winners of the pop-pop party, plastic Ziploc bags, aluminum foil, stickers, plastic eggs, art prints, books, and much much more. What I'm not going to do is spend my money to buy enough gesso or house paint to prime approximately 50 large cats, and several other papier-mache projects that will happen before the end of the year.<br /><br />I'm also not going to make it myself. I'm in my classroom hours after everyone else leaves as it is!!<br /><br />I bought the Liquitex BECAUSE of the good reputation. Whatever the problem with the product, I believe it was a factory problem, because it happened twice. The caps on the bottles did not have a good seal, so I'm sure that was a contributing factor. I've got no doubt that Utrecht is probably great but it is a budgetary issue. The Nasco, which in hindsight I would order again, is inexpensive, creamy/thick and opaque.<br /><br />Meanwhile, the funniest part of the whole saga happened today, when a package arrived that should have carried the Rheotech Gesso. I opened it up and inside was...drum-roll...two small bottles of Sax Gloss Gel Medium. HUH?? It's gotten so ridiculous that it's just laughable now. So I called AGAIN and they are sending the Rheotech. I think. <br /><br />Meanwhile, during the call to School Spec, my 5th grade entered and had to be patient for 2 minutes while I finished the call. And one boy in the class was a total brat, throwing things, disrespectful, rude, etc. I positively SCREAMED at him, something I rarely ever do. He's going to have to find someplace other than the art room to be in our next class, because I might grab him by his scrawny neck. Not the best way to end the day.. <br /><br />And then the kids in grade 5 are always coming and going to band lessons, so some kids don't know how to make their cat head, others missed a demo on the tail, and it's getting a little crazy. BUT some of the cats look awesome. <br /><br />About the white paper towel idea: our school paper towels are brown, so I'd have to buy white. But anyhow, I really like the primed surface for painting, and I like the extra strength a coat of gesso provides. <br /><br />But thanks anyhow for all your opinions/ideas/etc!Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-67357588504884788302012-01-31T13:15:19.707-05:002012-01-31T13:15:19.707-05:00I usually order Liquetex or one of the other name-...I usually order Liquetex or one of the other name-brand ones. I find that the generic brands of anything usually aren't as good. I wonder if when the product arrived it had been frozen outside. That can change the consistency. Probably ordering in smaller quantities would help too. I've never had any problems with gesso though!Marcia Becketthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10308258673884732796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-63102319861002274042012-01-31T09:26:00.314-05:002012-01-31T09:26:00.314-05:00Utrecht has great gesso that comes in a small buck...Utrecht has great gesso that comes in a small bucket. I have a bucket that I have used in my personal studio for years - it just gets a rubbery layer on top after not using it, but you can avoid this by covering the surface with plastic wrap when you shut the container up for longer storage.WHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04625145372979811840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-59288932351271264302012-01-31T07:49:24.526-05:002012-01-31T07:49:24.526-05:00what about white house paint from the local hardwa...what about white house paint from the local hardware store? I live in a teeny town and have found it works. of course, i've never used it over newspaper. I've just used it for a base for my paintings.Prairie Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09072295464494031920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-11713443440721102992012-01-31T07:17:54.606-05:002012-01-31T07:17:54.606-05:00I have buckets of sax gesso that is old, "pre...I have buckets of sax gesso that is old, "pre-me" at the school. I recently used it and it was fine. With paper mache I use paper towels for the final layer. The cheap kind from the paper towel dispensers in the school. My custodian used to save me roll ends,(the custodian who did his job and replaced before they ran out.) I have purchased the same type fairly cheap and the local hardware store. My money, but only a few dollars once a year. Sometimes it is brown but I have also found white.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01608160892951870294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-2890110127201367242012-01-31T01:41:50.316-05:002012-01-31T01:41:50.316-05:00why don't you make your own gesso?
it's s...why don't you make your own gesso?<br /><br />it's super easy, here in mexico is ultra expensive and I make my own, it's more or less this: <br /><br />http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Traditional-Gesso-Using-Acrylic-Gluesirakohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14581785705494187207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-30964272768678375492012-01-31T00:07:18.434-05:002012-01-31T00:07:18.434-05:00PS-I get my gesso at Jo-Ann Fabrics. I'm on t...PS-I get my gesso at Jo-Ann Fabrics. I'm on their mailing list(40%) off and teachers get an additional 15. Somestimes I take my husband( over 60 yrs old) and he gets it for 20 % extra.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03435676476427062399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-69509905284240381082012-01-31T00:07:17.779-05:002012-01-31T00:07:17.779-05:00@ Unknown - yes I will continue to blog. It certa...@ Unknown - yes I will continue to blog. It certainly will change but I enjoy it too much to stop so we'll see what it becomes!Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-66484618864877230062012-01-30T23:52:01.286-05:002012-01-30T23:52:01.286-05:00Phyl--Will you be keeping your blog open after you...Phyl--Will you be keeping your blog open after you retire. I sure hope so! I really enjoy your posts and your inspirational projects.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03435676476427062399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-84575313286023171922012-01-30T23:37:12.128-05:002012-01-30T23:37:12.128-05:00I have this week off, but will probably be over at...I have this week off, but will probably be over at school sometime during the week. I'll check what I ordered. We use SAX, which is School Specialty, so you've got me nervous. I haven't looked at my gesso lately. I have some here at home by Art-Alternatives. It is great, but perhaps pricey. I got it at a local small art store. I'll let you know what I find out.Christie - Fine Lineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10418114130566362780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-20116844263510985982012-01-30T23:00:57.786-05:002012-01-30T23:00:57.786-05:00Of course I'm not doing ANY requisitioning thi...Of course I'm not doing ANY requisitioning this year. I assume they'll set aside a budget amount as per what I usually get and let my replacement use it to place her order.Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-89521349754220949232012-01-30T22:59:58.686-05:002012-01-30T22:59:58.686-05:00I have to requisition all my materials - usually d...I have to requisition all my materials - usually done this time of year for next year, as our budgets are being set now. Annual school budget vote is in May and the orders usually go out right after the budget passes. So if I buy stuff locally it's coming out of my own pocket rather than the school budget. And remember, I live in a small town so there's not really a good art supply store. The little one that is here is very limited and extremely overpriced.Phylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482775924810462890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-80552881524213760632012-01-30T22:53:30.755-05:002012-01-30T22:53:30.755-05:00WOW...that is just crazy. I tend to by my gesso l...WOW...that is just crazy. I tend to by my gesso local(small quantities)..so I know exactly what I'm getting.Mr. Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05768674025111043769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6650247255320056704.post-51890093574517244622012-01-30T22:33:28.398-05:002012-01-30T22:33:28.398-05:00Oh my gosh! What a run of bad gesso. I don't...Oh my gosh! What a run of bad gesso. I don't use much of it and only order it in bottles that are probably 24 oz or so. I've never had it do the odd things that your's are doing.Snippety Gibbethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00271129879408530904noreply@blogger.com